Factb4Truth, as a liberal, I'm kind of surprised to find myself saying this. Some of Gary Johnson's ideas I can get behind. However, he's a fringe candidate who only gained public attention for two reasons. First, he was the first candidate to declare. It's easy to get attention when you're the only person running. Second, GQ magazine just ran a character piece on him. It's easy to get attention when you're an in shape guy appearing shirtless in a magazine.
That brings us back to the topic of the poll. Who should be the GOP candidate for President? While I think Gary seems like a cool guy to hang out with, there's no way he'll ever get elected, which is kind of the point of running for the office, isn't it?
All mentioned are bad choices. If you want a Republican who has common sense and a track record of keeping his own party in check, look up GARY JOHNSON 2012
I'm not going to argue this with you. The topic of the poll is who the best candidate for the Republican nomination, not the amount of good that President Obama has done. You've dropped any discussion about the poll topic in favor of something that we're clearly never going to see eye to eye on.
The fact remains that of the candidates running for the Republican nomination, Mitt Romney has done the least pandering to the extreme right and, therefore, has a much better chance of actually winning the general than anybody else does. Unless you're going to stay on topic and actually bother to refute my statement, I'm done here.
You continue to make my point. All of those things you cited as successes by Obama and company are things that at least 60% of the electorate is opposed to. This includes 90% of the right and 75% of the center. Most of the citizens of the U.S. do not want a bigger, more intrusive, more expensive government. (And oh-by-the-way, the health care mandate as passed by Obama and friends is unconstitutional; you cannot force the citizenry to buy a product. Any product!)
However, those things are beyond the point of my original statement.
It remains impossible to win a nationwide election in the US without independant support. This is support that cannot be gained by blatantly pandering to the extreme right. Regardless of how they feel about President Obama, they will still vote for him if the Republican candidates continue to alientate them. This is the problem that the Tea Party has brought to the table. In order to win the Republican nomination, you have to pander to the Tea Party but, in order to win the general requires pandering to the center. This is incredibly damaging to the likelihood that a Republican candidate will win the general election.
CJSPACK, you mean besides completely overhauling the health care system, providing health care to 11 million kids (4 million of whom didn't have it previously), establishing the Credit Card Bill of Rights, cutting taxes to 3.5 million small businesses to help pay for employee access to health care coverage, requiring healch insurance companies to disclose exactly how much of a premium goes to patient care, significantly increasing funding for the Violence Against Women Act, expanding hate crime laws to cover sexual orientation by passing the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, cutting prescription drug cost for medicare recipients by 50%, and repealling Don't Ask Don't Tell?
Sorry to burst your bubble BS, but independents that supported Obama in '08 have fled in droves. If you've checked out the polls lately, independents are supporting the conservative side almost two to one, even though there isn't a specific republican nominee yet. I challenge you to name one significant, positive decision that has come out of the white house since January 2009, especially on the domestic front. Every idea or law the current president has supported has been a disaster. Unless the economy somehow miraculously reverses itself, Obama will go down as possibly the worst president of all time. We all will benefit if he is defeated one year from now.
CJSPACK, the problem with your assessment is that there is no way to get elected in this country without the independant vote, which politically generally lies somewhere in between the Republicans and the Democrats. The current crop of Republican candidates spend far too much time pandering to the Tea Party, and not nearly enough to the people who will actually get them elected. Romney is the only Republican running who independants are even willing to give the time of day. The longer that this self destructive battle continues, the more likely that President Obama will be reelected. This is perfectly fine with me though, since I'll support him over a Republican any day of the week.
On the contrary, dannydods. There are several excellent candidates from the Republican side this time around, any of which would be an absolute upgrade over Obama. Right now Romney is the odds-on-favorite to be the nominee, Cain is my personal favorite, but Gingrich would make the best president. Obama and company's run to make the U.S. a socialist-type, European-style government is about to end; and hopefully it's not too late to right the ship.
The most qualified and balanced candidate for the GOP nomination is Romney and its in the country's best interest that the best candidate faces off against Obama. I say this as an Obama supporter. If Romney makes it thru the primary is anyones guess. I would like to see a general election that is about economic issues, not the social issues that are at the base of many of the remaining candidates such as Bachmann and Perry. Romney has the basic skills to address the most pressing issues that this country faces.
Great question!.. NOT!... I mean, c'mon, anyone who is Republican will balk at that list, trying to choose.. wanting the best.. Any Democrat answering the poll will pick the WORST of the lot!.. thus, skewing the answers on the poll.. Fruitless! They're having a Turtle Race in the park, do you want your competitor to 1) be fit as a fiddle, bigger than yours.. 2) have a broken leg and be underfed.. 3) other.. Who 'thinks' up these questions?!!
BryanJSebeck
Factb4Truth, as a liberal, I'm kind of surprised to find myself saying this. Some of Gary Johnson's ideas I can get behind. However, he's a fringe candidate who only gained public attention for two reasons. First, he was the first candidate to declare. It's easy to get attention when you're the only person running. Second, GQ magazine just ran a character piece on him. It's easy to get attention when you're an in shape guy appearing shirtless in a magazine.
That brings us back to the topic of the poll. Who should be the GOP candidate for President? While I think Gary seems like a cool guy to hang out with, there's no way he'll ever get elected, which is kind of the point of running for the office, isn't it?
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Factb4Truth
All mentioned are bad choices. If you want a Republican who has common sense and a track record of keeping his own party in check, look up GARY JOHNSON 2012
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CJSPACK
Ditto, BJS. I believe my original post stated that Romney was the favorite to become the Republican nominee!
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BryanJSebeck
CJSPACK,
I'm not going to argue this with you. The topic of the poll is who the best candidate for the Republican nomination, not the amount of good that President Obama has done. You've dropped any discussion about the poll topic in favor of something that we're clearly never going to see eye to eye on.
The fact remains that of the candidates running for the Republican nomination, Mitt Romney has done the least pandering to the extreme right and, therefore, has a much better chance of actually winning the general than anybody else does. Unless you're going to stay on topic and actually bother to refute my statement, I'm done here.
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CJSPACK
You continue to make my point. All of those things you cited as successes by Obama and company are things that at least 60% of the electorate is opposed to. This includes 90% of the right and 75% of the center. Most of the citizens of the U.S. do not want a bigger, more intrusive, more expensive government. (And oh-by-the-way, the health care mandate as passed by Obama and friends is unconstitutional; you cannot force the citizenry to buy a product. Any product!)
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antilib
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jswan65
NONE OF THE ABOVE
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zerocool
ron paul
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BryanJSebeck
However, those things are beyond the point of my original statement.
It remains impossible to win a nationwide election in the US without independant support. This is support that cannot be gained by blatantly pandering to the extreme right. Regardless of how they feel about President Obama, they will still vote for him if the Republican candidates continue to alientate them. This is the problem that the Tea Party has brought to the table. In order to win the Republican nomination, you have to pander to the Tea Party but, in order to win the general requires pandering to the center. This is incredibly damaging to the likelihood that a Republican candidate will win the general election.
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BryanJSebeck
CJSPACK, you mean besides completely overhauling the health care system, providing health care to 11 million kids (4 million of whom didn't have it previously), establishing the Credit Card Bill of Rights, cutting taxes to 3.5 million small businesses to help pay for employee access to health care coverage, requiring healch insurance companies to disclose exactly how much of a premium goes to patient care, significantly increasing funding for the Violence Against Women Act, expanding hate crime laws to cover sexual orientation by passing the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, cutting prescription drug cost for medicare recipients by 50%, and repealling Don't Ask Don't Tell?
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CJSPACK
Sorry to burst your bubble BS, but independents that supported Obama in '08 have fled in droves. If you've checked out the polls lately, independents are supporting the conservative side almost two to one, even though there isn't a specific republican nominee yet. I challenge you to name one significant, positive decision that has come out of the white house since January 2009, especially on the domestic front. Every idea or law the current president has supported has been a disaster. Unless the economy somehow miraculously reverses itself, Obama will go down as possibly the worst president of all time. We all will benefit if he is defeated one year from now.
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BryanJSebeck
CJSPACK, the problem with your assessment is that there is no way to get elected in this country without the independant vote, which politically generally lies somewhere in between the Republicans and the Democrats. The current crop of Republican candidates spend far too much time pandering to the Tea Party, and not nearly enough to the people who will actually get them elected. Romney is the only Republican running who independants are even willing to give the time of day. The longer that this self destructive battle continues, the more likely that President Obama will be reelected. This is perfectly fine with me though, since I'll support him over a Republican any day of the week.
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MikeHawkburns420
Any of these idiots are perfectly qualified to ruin the country even more...
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CJSPACK
On the contrary, dannydods. There are several excellent candidates from the Republican side this time around, any of which would be an absolute upgrade over Obama. Right now Romney is the odds-on-favorite to be the nominee, Cain is my personal favorite, but Gingrich would make the best president. Obama and company's run to make the U.S. a socialist-type, European-style government is about to end; and hopefully it's not too late to right the ship.
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jswan65
Ron Paul
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KCLALA
The most qualified and balanced candidate for the GOP nomination is Romney and its in the country's best interest that the best candidate faces off against Obama. I say this as an Obama supporter. If Romney makes it thru the primary is anyones guess. I would like to see a general election that is about economic issues, not the social issues that are at the base of many of the remaining candidates such as Bachmann and Perry. Romney has the basic skills to address the most pressing issues that this country faces.
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EStacey
Great question!.. NOT!... I mean, c'mon, anyone who is Republican will balk at that list, trying to choose.. wanting the best.. Any Democrat answering the poll will pick the WORST of the lot!.. thus, skewing the answers on the poll.. Fruitless! They're having a Turtle Race in the park, do you want your competitor to 1) be fit as a fiddle, bigger than yours.. 2) have a broken leg and be underfed.. 3) other.. Who 'thinks' up these questions?!!
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Elissa82
They are all bad
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